What utilities can a consumer refuse?

You can completely refuse to use hot water supply

In the receipt for utility bills, charges for apartment hot water supply are usually the highest. Over the course of a year, a decent amount accrues, which can be spent more profitably. We will tell you how to do this without depriving yourself of your usual comfort in this article.

Advantages of not having a centralized hot water supply

Residents of multi-storey buildings often face problems with hot water supply.

Among them:

The water supply is of insufficient temperature , due to which its consumption increases and, accordingly, the numbers in the payment bill increase;

The water temperature is often insufficient

Cooling of water in pipes , as a result of which you have to wait a long time for cold water to drain and hot water to flow;

The volume of drained water is calculated according to the “hot” tariff

Poor water quality - it may be mixed with rust or have an unpleasant odor;

You probably wouldn't want to use this kind of water for bathing.

Frequent planned and unscheduled shutdowns , causing not only domestic inconvenience, but also financial losses. Indeed, in the absence of a meter, it is very difficult to achieve recalculation during the absence of DHW.

Hot water outages bring a lot of inconvenience

You can try to prove that the standards for hot water supply in apartments are violated by ordering an examination of its composition and drawing up a report in the presence of utility workers about the actual temperature of the water flowing from the tap.

But even if you win, it is not a fact that the problems will be solved. And this will not save you from planned shutdowns of the water supply system for repairs.

Standard response from public utilities for non-compliance with hot water supply standards in apartments

But there is a way out, and it is very reliable: you need to install a water heater in your apartment and become your own supplier of hot water.

Water heater in the apartment

It will always be clean, since its source will be drinking water from the cold water system;
You can regulate its temperature yourself;

The temperature control function is very convenient

Interruptions in supply are possible only when the energy carrier or cold water is turned off;
Impressive amounts for hot water supply will disappear from your payment bill.

Note. On the other hand, payments for cold water and electricity (or gas, if the water heater is gas) will increase. How profitable such a solution is will depend on the type and power of the boiler, average water consumption and other factors. But in any case, even in the absence of savings, you get greater comfort.

Keep in mind

The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation put an end to case No. A24-1044/2020, where the supplier of heat energy and hot water appealed. The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation supported the decision of the court of first instance and separately noted that:

The intake of hot water from the heating system inside the apartment building is not a hot water supply service.
If intra-house networks are not connected to a centralized hot water supply system, then we cannot talk about supplying water supply systems to SOI for this resource.
If there is no CD service on SOI, then RSO cannot demand payment for it.

The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation did not consider the complaint, and case No. A24-1044/2020 was resolved in favor of the organization managing the house.

Management organizations must keep in mind the arguments of the courts when protecting their interests and when paying for resources under contracts with RSO. It should be remembered that if the apartment building is connected to centralized networks, for example, sewerage, then the Kyrgyz Republic will have to pay for the SOI even if the design features of the apartment building do not imply draining water from public areas.

In such court cases, what matters is whether the house is connected to the appropriate centralized networks and whether such utilities are provided to residents of the apartment building.

Design options for autonomous hot water supply

There are two ways: installing a meter on the hot water pipe with monthly transmission of zero readings and officially disconnecting the apartment from the hot water supply.

Option with counter

Nowadays, most houses require that meters be installed on all communications. If you already have meters, there will be no problems.

If they are not there, do this:

Install the boiler by connecting it to the cold water supply system;
Buy a hot water meter and turn off the tap at the inlet.

Advice. When choosing, pay attention to the performance characteristics - some devices are installed only on cold water supply.

The meter in the photo can operate at water temperatures up to 900

Install it on the DHW pipe. To do this, you need to write an application to the management company for the installation of metering devices;
Call representatives of the management company to seal the meter and transfer the initial readings to the computer center.

Taking readings

Advice. At the same time, we recommend placing the meter on cold water. Paying by meter is often more profitable than paying by tariff.

This option has a great advantage: if the water heater breaks down or if there is a power outage in the apartment, you will only need to open the tap on the hot water pipe and use hot water from the central system.

When using such a scheme, the following rules must be observed:

Submit meter readings monthly, even if they have not changed as a result of not using the centralized supply;
Once every six years (check with your supplier for the period), check the device by calling a heating network representative to your home.

Checking the meter at home

Advice. Instead of checking, you can replace the meter with a new one. It is inexpensive, and the sealing service is provided free of charge.

Option with disconnection from the system

You can completely turn off the hot water supply in your apartment by cutting off the pipe or making a rupture in it.

The algorithm is as follows:

First you need to make a request to the management company or housing and communal services to disconnect from the city hot water network;
Then, using the departmental plumber, make visible breaks in all outlets from the hot water supply risers and plug them;

Muffled risers

Call a representative of the supplier to seal and draw up a report on disconnection from the network. From this moment on, charges for hot water supply stop;
Install a water heater with piping.

Connection diagram of the boiler to the water supply system

The disadvantage of this option is the complete lack of hot water in case of power outages or boiler breakdown.

Note! The fact of disconnection from the city hot water network must be confirmed annually. Why is it necessary to call a representative of the supplier to draw up a report on disconnection and the presence of seals. Otherwise, after a year, the payment column for hot water supply according to the standards will return to the payment bill.

Residents of apartment buildings take hot water from indoor radiators

The supplier of thermal energy and hot water filed a complaint with the Court of Appeal. The MA did not prove that it is impossible to consume hot water in the disputed houses by selecting a resource from an open heat supply system to provide housing services to the Kyrgyz Republic at SOI. Since the disputed apartment buildings are connected to an open heat supply system, the RSO has the right to charge for utility resources for the maintenance of common property for hot water supply.

The Court of Appeal indicated that the court of first instance correctly assessed the design features of the disputed apartment buildings and the possibility of consuming the communal resource “hot water” from the central hot water supply system.

The VDIS inspection reports confirm that the houses in question are not connected to the centralized hot water supply system. RSO did not challenge these acts in court. Hot water supply occurs from central heating radiators directly in residential premises, and not from a separate hot water supply network. The decision of the first instance court stood, and its calculation of the debt of the UO was recognized by the appellate court as correct.

Selecting a water heater

Which boiler to choose depends on many reasons. First of all, they consider the economic one, and in this regard there is no equal to a gas water heater or water heater. Therefore, if the project provides for such an opportunity, and you want to save a lot of money, choose this type.

Gas water heater Oasis

The only disadvantage of this solution is that you cannot install it yourself, since the instructions require technical conditions for connection, and a certified specialist must install the speaker.

Connecting a geyser

But gas equipment itself costs less than electric equipment, so it will pay for itself faster. If the house is not gasified or you are against the presence of gas equipment in the apartment, buy an electric water heater.

It comes in two types:

Flow-through - water is heated by passing through the heating element. It should have a good stable pressure. The advantages of such devices include small dimensions and ease of installation with your own hands. The disadvantages are high power consumption (5-27 kW), which sometimes completely cancels out the benefits of disconnecting the city network. In addition, wiring in older homes is often not designed to handle this kind of power and may not be able to handle the load.

Instantaneous water heater Termex

Accumulative - heats up a large volume of water in the tank at once. Makes it possible to regulate the temperature and maintain it at a given level. Compared to flow-through, it consumes very little electricity (1.5-3 kW), but has impressive dimensions.

Storage water heater Electrolux horizontal type

Another factor influencing the choice of a boiler is its placement in the apartment.

The easiest way is to find a place for a flow-through electric heater. It is usually installed in the kitchen at the water connection point of the kitchen sink. It is also possible to embed it into the pipeline at the entrance to the apartment to provide hot water to all water taps.

Storage and gas boilers cannot be placed in the bathroom. Therefore, the former are most often hung in the toilet, and the latter in the kitchen, at the gas pipe supply point. And from this point they make a connection into the existing hot water pipeline, or lay wiring to all devices that consume hot water.

Geyser in the kitchen

Instantaneous water heater in the cabinet under the sink

Large storage boiler in the bathroom

Will a water heater pay for itself?

It is this question that comes to the fore when the owner thinks about whether it is worth disconnecting from the general house system, thereby abandoning the centralized hot water supply. It is not entirely correct to give specific examples of calculations. The fact is that the feasibility of such a decision is determined by a combination of factors, and only a professional can give an unambiguous recommendation.

DHW tariff for a specific region (house, apartment).
The intensity of its daily consumption by the owner. And this depends on the composition of the family, the age of the household members, and their habits.
The quality of the service provided. Moreover, this applies not only to the temperature of the liquid, but also to the regularity and duration of shutdown of the system. And this often happens not only for its maintenance or repair.
The type of appliance that will prepare hot water. If it is electric, how much will it cost to lay a new power line to it, taking into account the features of the circuit. You may have to change the cable at the entrance to the apartment or the circuit breaker. The same applies to the water heater model. For a boiler, you need to determine what its capacity, power, and so on should be, so as not to overpay for a more expensive product that will not be needed in the apartment. And it’s unlikely to be possible to install bulky equipment when there is a shortage of free space.
Type of electricity meter. If it is two-tariff, then it is better to purchase an electric storage water heater (in the absence of main gas). You may have to think about whether to replace the metering device (in the case of its traditional design).

Shouldn't we give up hot water in the apartment?

Our apartment has an individual gas boiler for heating and hot water supply. Since January of this year, we have received payments for ONE for heating. There are no heating devices in common areas. We live in the Krasnodar region. How to refuse payment? After all, heating networks charge money for services not provided. How to refuse heating and hot water supply in a 9-story building when I live on the second floor and all risers pass through my floor.

I want to make stationary heating. Can I refuse to replace the hot water supply riser in my apartment when carrying out a cap? Can a citizen living in an apartment building with a common building meter refuse hot water supply and not pay for it? Please link to the law. I don't have a hot water meter.

I pay rubles, 17 kopecks. On average. And the neighbors pay. The area of the apartments and the number of people living in the apartment are the same. Are neighbors required to formalize their refusal with a statement and are they required to cut off the hot water pipe leading to the apartment?

Otherwise how to control them. Do I have the right to refuse hot water supply and ask for payment for the transit of hot water through my apartment. Our house is 63 years old. Major repairs of the heating system according to the program will be in the year, hot water. All pipes are old, rusty, thermal insulation is missing in places.

Can we, the homeowners of an apartment building with 56 apartments, 6 of them municipal, refuse to install a common building heat metering unit until a major overhaul of the heating and hot water supply system is carried out? The management company demands that the apartment building refuse hot water supply, citing the lack of a common house meter for this service and the issuance of large bills for it. Please tell me whether we are required to pay one fee for hot water when we have individual heating and have abandoned the centralized hot water supply, there is a plug.

City of Evpatoria, Crimea. I want to hang a gas water heater; I live in a 5-story building. In the garage they say that it is possible, but only if you refuse hot water supply from Teplokomunenergo.

How to do it? Teplokomunenergo does not want to turn off. Sincerely. There has been no circulation of hot water in our MK for many years. The issue is not being resolved by either the Criminal Code or the city administration. How to legally refuse hot water supply and install a water heater in your apartment?

How can you completely refuse hot water supply and heating services in an apartment building today? What regulations govern this issue?

I want to install an individual electric boiler. I live in a dorm on the fifth floor, there is no hot water supply on the floor, it is located on the first floor, there is a shared shower there, I don’t use it - because we installed a shower cabin in our place, but I pay for hot water monthly, can I refuse to pay for hot water?

Does the owner of an apartment in an apartment building have the right to refuse hot water supply from a heating supply organization and switch to a water heater?

I want to give up the central hot water supply, the building is an apartment building, most of the apartments are disconnected, the rest are supplied with water somehow, according to an inconvenient schedule. Crimea, Yalta. Please tell me how can I refuse central hot water supply? Teploenergo says that this is impossible. Where and what to write? I am not satisfied with the quality and schedule of this service. Don't miss the most important things happening on the Internet.

Subscribe Not now. Avoid hot water supply. Can I refuse hot water supply? Lawyer Semkova Irina Viktorovna. If it is technically possible, then you can.

The answer helped you: Yes No. Consultation on your issue. Do I need to pay one for hot water if I refuse hot water supply? Lawyer Malykh Andrey Arkadevich. Refuse - what do you mean? Can I refuse hot water supply in my apartment? Lawyer Alexey Vladimirovich Antyukhin. No you can not. Lawyer Utkina Svetlana Nikolaevna.

Irina, at the end of the year, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation sided with residents of apartments with autonomous heating, resolving their dispute with heating service providers. If the owner has reconstructed the apartment by installing autonomous heating and received all permits, then he is charged only for the thermal energy supplied to the house for the maintenance of the common property.

Therefore you will have to pay. Lawyer Purtsakin V. Individual heating in an apartment building is prohibited. Federal Law of July 27, No. Federal Law “On Heat Supply” Article Connection of technological connection to the heat supply system It is prohibited to switch to heating residential premises in apartment buildings using individual apartment sources of thermal energy, the list of which is determined by the rules for connecting technological connection to heat supply systems approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, in the presence of a properly connected technological connection to the heat supply systems of apartment buildings, with the exception of cases determined by the heat supply diagram.

How to legally refuse heating and hot water supply in an apartment building? Lawyer Kholodilova I. First, you need to find out whether the in-house utility networks allow you to disconnect you from these services without harm to other residents.

Lawyer Sverkunov Viktor Ivanovich. In this case, you did not have the right to tightly sew up the building's utility lines. If you do not provide access to them voluntarily, then you may be forced through the court to provide access to them to perform the necessary work. Thanks in advance. Lawyer Abramenko Alexander Yurievich. No, it will be impossible to do this in an apartment building.

We can answer your questions, we can tell you what is best to do in a particular situation, but remember that no virtual consultation can replace a face-to-face visit to a lawyer. Lawyer Polyansky Maxim Petrovich. Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation from Lawyer Oleg Dmitrievich Plotnikov. You have the right, of course, for which you need to submit a corresponding application to the management company. Refer to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. However, you will have to pay the costs in any case.

Rafael Rinadovich. Lawyer Zlatkin Alexey Mikhailovich. Of course, you have the right to refuse hot water supply, but the law does not provide for any payment for transit, so of course you can demand it, but they won’t meet you. Lawyer Pichuev S. Hello, Rafael Rinatovich!

If you have an individual meter for hot water, then you do not have to consume it and you will not have to pay for its consumption; fees for the transit of hot water are not provided for by current legislation. Alexander Iosifovich. Lawyer Vitaly Mikhailovich Shishkin. You do not have such a right. And there is an obligation to install a common house heat meter.

Federal Law “On Heat Supply” from Lawyer Okulova Irina Vladimirovna. The actions of the management company are illegal. Contact the housing inspectorate or prosecutor's office to conduct an inspection on this issue. Good luck to you.

Hardening

Despite the relative unpleasantness of swimming in cold water, many Russians decide not to deal with the lack of hot water at home. They take a shower directly under running cold water, calling it hardening.

This method is the cheapest of those listed. But if you don’t act wisely, it may turn out to be the most expensive and cost you your health. You also need to be able to temper yourself properly. You can’t just take it one day and start washing with cold water. The water temperature must be reduced gradually - day by day.

This method will be relevant if you familiarize yourself with the hot water shutdown schedule in advance and begin preparing for the upcoming hardening at least a week in advance.

Fitness club

Fitness clubs are beginning to become more and more popular in Russia, especially during periods when hot water is cut off. Each fitness club must have its own shower. And every self-respecting fitness club also has its own water heating system, which allows them not to blush in front of their clients during a planned shutdown of hot water supply.

So, as soon as your hot water is turned off, you can find one of the nearest clubs, buy, say, a monthly subscription and not worry about the lack of hot water at home. Pros: shower with hot water and taking care of your physical health. Of the minuses: steep prices for short-term gym memberships.

Geyser

In Moscow, the third most popular method of dealing with hot water outages is a gas water heater. In the regions, this is a standard option that is already present in most old apartments - people can’t even imagine life without it. In Moscow everything is a little different. Gas water heaters are a rarity in the capital, which sometimes turns out to be irreplaceable.

Many people believe that the absence of a gas water heater cannot be corrected. This is wrong. You can install a gas water heater in your apartment. The main condition for this is the presence of main gas in the house. That is, if you have a gas stove in your kitchen, then you can install a water heater.

But this enterprise will cost a pretty penny. Both the geysers themselves and their installation cost significantly more than their electric counterparts. In addition, installing a gas water heater is a red tape that requires the collection of numerous documents.

What is the advantage, you ask? It's simple: geysers are a much more economical way to heat water than electricity. With a prospect of one and a half to two decades, they may turn out to be more economical. But in Russia it is not customary to look at such long temporary distances, so almost no one installs a water heater as a means of combating the shutdown of hot water.

Give up hot water and install water heaters. Is it worth it or not?

In this regard, Russians began to think about what utilities they could refuse to make their utility bills less daunting. According to MBX, apartment owners cannot refuse the services that all residents of the building use.

These include heating, maintenance of common areas, stairs, elevators, entrances, as well as hot water used for common house needs. You also pay for trash removal and a garbage disposal, even if you don't use it. At the same time, you will have to pay for heating even if you do not live in an apartment, even if the taps in the radiators are turned off.

However, you can refuse this service, although this is not so easy. We will tell you more below. The easiest way is to exclude a radio point and a common antenna from utilities. All this will be unnecessary if you use digital television.

To disable these services, you need to contact the management company and ask for the phone number of the provider of these services. You can also refuse centralized hot water supply if a boiler is installed at home. Payments for cold water will also remain; expenses for hot water will be transferred to gas and electricity. Giving up central heating will be more difficult, but there are two ways to do it.

Firstly, you can switch off the batteries and install a separate meter for each of them. Secondly, you can apply to the court if a gas boiler is installed in the house and try to get the fee canceled. However, there is no guarantee that the court will side with the tenant.

Everything may turn in the opposite direction: the owner will be accused of illegal modification of the apartment, forced to return the batteries to their place and turn them on. If no one lives in the apartment, and for technical reasons metering devices are not installed, the cost of services is calculated based on the consumption rate per person. If no one lives in the apartment for more than five days, you can contact the management company and make a recalculation. In this case, you will not have to pay for hot and cold water supply, electricity, sewerage and garbage collection services.

To do this, you must also present a document confirming that you were not at home. If gas, water, heat or electricity are turned off in the house, and the management company does nothing, you can contact the emergency dispatch service and complain that the service is not provided.

If the service provider is found guilty of failure to provide services, a recalculation will be made. Other,. Games Gaming news and videos Online games Cybersport.

Is it possible to refuse hot water service in an apartment building? Officially. July 14, question No. Igor, Fokino. Dear Igor, it is impossible to officially abandon hot water supply in the sense that it is impossible to cut off the supply of water, cut down a branch, weld a pipe, etc. There is no law that would allow such a thing, and there cannot be, since it would contradict the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. Residential premises must be provided with engineering systems (electric lighting, domestic drinking and hot water supply, drainage, heating and ventilation, and in gasified areas also gas supply).